Atheist Conversation

Today, Ben brings the blog of the day. Today, for the first time in my life, I had a talk with an atheist. We talked over a chat site, where you don't know the person you are talking to, they give it to you at random and I got him. Here is the conversation word for word, copy and pasted, let me know what you think. I tried to be as open to him as possible, if I made some mistakes...don't get too mad at me, haha. Just a word of warning. There is some vulgar language because I straight copied and pasted it. So please read with care if you are reading this with younger children.

obviously, I am the "you" and he is the "stranger"

You: hey

Stranger: I'm an atheist, ask me anything

You: why?

Stranger: Well, you can ask me if you want

Stranger: or do you mean "why am I an atheist:

You: yes...to the second one

You: how have you come to that conclusion?

Stranger: Well, I don't see any real reason to believe in god. The world is amazing, but I don't look at the world and go "OH! A WIZARD DID THIS", I look in a bit deeper...

You: well, what you just said...is a Christian belief...the world believes that a

You: "wizard" did this

You: we do look a bit deeper

Stranger: Ahh...you a muslim?

You: no

Stranger: Hindu?

You: no

You: christian

Stranger: Well that's interesting...who created god?

You: he has no time frame...he was always there...something our minds can't comprehend...just as there is no end...we can't comprehend

Stranger: Really, well if that's the case how do you actually know he exists if he is beyond your conprehension

You: he is not beyond my comprehension...the fact that he has been here all this time is beyond my comprehension

You: although, i agree, we will never no God to the extent that he really is

Stranger: "he was always there...something our minds can't comprehend...just as there is no end...we can't comprehend"

Stranger: When I look at god, the christian god, I see something that, although outdated, was made up to try and explain the world...

Stranger: You explain things within your experiences...which is natural

You: I don't agree with that...Christianity is how the world began...yes, i learn more about

You: God and trust in him through my experiences

Stranger: Orly|?

You: but the religeon has been around since the world began

Stranger: Has it?

You: yeah, it has

Stranger: It's certianly been around since mankind came on the scene, but at the beginning of the world?

You: God created man on the 6th day...so since the 6th day of the world...it has been a religeon

Stranger: And how do you know this

Stranger: OH WAIT

You: through his word...now obviously...days could have been longer, or even just a reference to a long amount of time...

Stranger: lol

You: yet, it is true

Stranger: Listen

Stranger: We have evidence that mankind was much older than 6,000 years old

You: exactly why I said could be referenced as a long amount of time

Stranger: and indeed, evidence the world is older than 6000 years old

You: although...that evidence, is faltered, with the flood of the world...strong amounts of pressure make things look older than what they are

Stranger: Then why didn't it say that in the bible?

Stranger: Well

You: could be an answer as well

Stranger: You've conviced me

Stranger: I have been wrong

You: im not trying to convince

You: you

Stranger: I have finally accepted Jesus

You: i think it's interesting to see how you came to accept this

Stranger: yes

Stranger: Yes it is

Stranger: I am rebon

Stranger: and my first act as a christian is to Kill my gay brother

You: what?

Stranger: Will you join me in slaughtering the homo faggot whores?

You: no

You: i will not

Stranger: God demands we kill faggots

Stranger: leveticus 20:13

You: i would love them...and try to help them with their problems

You: those are old testament laws

Stranger: Well if you "help" them you are going to hell

You: no longer in effect since Jesus' new law in matthew

Stranger: god doesn't say cure gays, he says kill them, because once you choose to be gay, ou cannot be cured

Stranger: it says so in the bible

You: I don't think so

Stranger: yes it does

You: I think you need to take things more in its context

You: if you want to quote the bible

Stranger: No I haven't

Stranger: GODS LAW IS ETERNAL AND UNCHANGEABLE

Stranger: are you BLASTPHEMING AGAINST THE WORLD OF GOD?

Stranger: YOU AND YOUR ENTIRE CITY MUST DIE!

You: I have a question for you

Stranger: I have a question for you too

You: you say you have no faith, correct?

Stranger: yes

You: ok...well isn't what you believe right now...atheism, faith. Faith that there is no God, faith that your life on earth is all there is?

You: you do believe in something...just not the same thing as me

You: we all have faith

Stranger: Well, I don't think I'd call that faith

You: what would you call it then?

Stranger: I can't disprove a deistic god...but I can disprove a theistic god...IE: the abrihamic god.

You: you cannot prove or disproove God, it is impossible

You: it's all a matter of faith

Stranger: I can disprive the abrihamic god

Stranger: your god

You: no you can't

You: how?

Stranger: yes I can

You: disproove him to me

You: it's impossible

You: you have no proof

Stranger: God is all powerful and all knowing, right?

You: yes

Stranger: So why then does he not get rid of homosexuality if he finds it unsavory...we have proven it's nobody's fault, and even if it was, he could wipe the very idea out of existance without infringing on free will

Stranger: being all powerful.

Stranger: Yet...homosexuality still exists...

You: actually it is someones fault..satin's. It is because there is sin in the world.

Stranger: Then why doesn't he get rid of satan?

You: We have free will...God doesn't want to make us worship him...what would be the point?

Stranger: Satan isn't all powerful, is he?

You: He plans to, with the coming of his Kingdom

You: no, he isn't

Stranger: Well why doesn't he do it now?

You: there is a constant struggle, until Jesus returns again

Stranger: Well what is he waiting for

Stranger: all this testing stuff is bullshit

You: oh, it's not God testing

Stranger: he doesn't need to test anything because he is ALL KNOWING

Stranger: orly

Stranger: then why do we have life?

You: it's satin..he doesn't want any evil

Stranger: why do we have ehaven or hell

You: we have life to worship God

You: heaven is very complex, many people view it wrong

Stranger: Next question

Stranger: why does he say the earth is flat when it is so obviously not

You: the Kingdom of Heaven is coming to us, we don't go there. when Jesus returns, he will create a new jerusalem on earth, a new heaven and earth where all things are perfect

You: I am sure he may say that...where is it found, may I ask?

Stranger: the bible

You: My guess is as good as yours. Probably b/c people wrote the Bible

You: and people, back then, thought that the world was flat. God used them to write his word...

Stranger: But I thought the bible was the word of god?

You: it is

You: i just explained that

Stranger: Well why did he tell them to write that then?

You: I don't know about this for sure, I am guessing here. But I don't think God directly told all of them exactly what to write..especially in the New Testament

Stranger: Well I think he would at least correct some errors...

Stranger: Also

Stranger: you admitted there that the bible was influenced by the understandings of the time

You: minor errors like that?

You: i said..I am not sure on that

You: I am guessing there

Stranger: Hold on

Stranger: Well it obviously is

You: so...your question then?

Stranger: Have you concidered that the bible may mearly be the beliefs of a group of people at a particular time

Stranger: I mean I find it interesting how the beliefs of god match up to the beliefs of people at particular times

Stranger: homosexuality, slavery, mass genocide

You: nope...it was written throughout history...through the power of God. The Gospels (matthew mark luke john) were written so soon after what had happened that everyone knew it was total truth

Stranger: right, so god really does want you to kill gays

Stranger: and slavery is Ok

You: what?

You: your conclusions are full of faulty logic

You: taken way out of context

Stranger: No

Stranger: No they are not

Stranger: shall I get a quote to two

Stranger: or three?

You: all 3 of the things you listed above, are referenced throughout the bible

You: let me guess...all in the old testament?

You: leviticus maybe?

Stranger: ironlicly not

Stranger: luke 19:27

You: k, what does it say?

Stranger: But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them--bring them here and kill them in front of me.'"

Stranger: this was jesus speaking as himself through the metephor of a king in a parable

You: hold on a sec

You: ok

You: once again taken out of context...this is talking about the end of times

Stranger: Oh is he?

You: where yes...that will happen

Stranger: so at the end times all the christians will kill non christians

Stranger: that still aint good

You: no

You: ?

You: you don't think so?

Stranger: I don't think the bible is in anyway good

You: that is why he hasn't come back yet...to try to prevent that from happening

Stranger: all this "interpretation" stuff is bullshit

You: what i find funny, is through all of this..you still haven't disproven God

Stranger: OK

Stranger: I GIVE UP

Stranger: JESUS

Stranger: IS

Stranger: LORD

You: what do you mean...it's quite obvious interpretation...all you have to do is look at context

Stranger: NO

You: i never said you had to believe that

Stranger: the bible is the TRUE WORD OF GOD

You: i just said you can't prove or disproove god

Stranger: ok...

Stranger: but I have one simple task for me

Stranger: or for you

You: whats that?

Stranger: show me the passage where it says the bible must be interperated

Stranger: You can't find it

Stranger: You will never find it

You: Im not interperatating it...im reading it the way your supposed to read any book

Stranger: orly

You: do you read a history book and read it like its from your tiem?

You: no...you take it in it's context

Stranger: if I read a book and it says "john kills sally" does that mean they had sex

Stranger: or a tea party?

Stranger: or smoked weed?

You: what?

Stranger: NO

You: have you read a parable?

You: in any book

Stranger: Yes

Stranger: yes I have

You: there meant for interpretation

You: not literal

Stranger: Really?

You: yeah

You: it's a story

Stranger: Yeah

You: that shows a lesson

You: not tells a fact

Stranger: and not all stories are real

Stranger: but

Stranger: if you believe in the bible

Stranger: and believe it to be the one true way

You: yes, that parable that teaches me what that parable says...i believe every word that the parable is teaching me

Stranger: ok, do where does jesus say all the bible is to be 'interperated'

You: it doesn't

Stranger: exactly

You: it's common knowledge for most humans to read parables and find there meanings

Stranger: yes, but things like leveticus 20:13 are not parables

You: not take a short story to teach a lesson and take it word for word literally, when thats not why he told the story

Stranger: And where does jesus say "thou shall no take the old testiment literally?

Stranger: answer: he doesn't...

Stranger: infact

Stranger: he says the opposite

Stranger: he says you must follow the old testiment to the letter

Stranger: that includes deuteronomy 13:12-19

Stranger: and leveticus 20:13

Stranger: and all the rest

You: there is new law

You: in matthew that jesus brought

You: that i already told you about

Stranger: no

Stranger: jesus

Stranger: said

You: yeah, i did

Stranger: you

Stranger: must

Stranger: follow

Stranger: the

Stranger: old

Stranger: testiment

You: where is that stated?

You: out of curiosity

You: you may be correct

Stranger: hold on

Stranger: “For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.” (Matthew 5:18-19 RSV)

You: hold on one sec

Stranger: It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid." (Luke 16:17 NAB)

You: while I read the whole chapter to get context

You: not just one verse

Stranger: ph

Stranger: oh

Stranger: hello

Stranger: guess what I found

Stranger: Know this first of all, that there is no prophecy of scripture that is a matter of personal interpretation, for no prophecy ever came through human will; but rather human beings moved by the holy Spirit spoke under the influence of God." (2 Peter 20-21 NAB)

You: you do realize what law he is talking about in matthew right?

You: I read NIV

Stranger: Ok

Stranger: hold on

You: not NAB but i will look it up

Stranger: And I'll get the NIV

You: ok

You: but hold on

You: one passage at a time

You: lets talk about the Matthew 5: 18-19

You: first

You: you do realize what law he is talking about right?

Stranger: hold on

Stranger: ....

Stranger: does the NIV only include three chapters on 2 peter

You: only 1 chapter i believe actually

Stranger: ...

Stranger: wow

Stranger: that is...

Stranger: I knew the bible had several edits but...fuck

Stranger: you miss out whole books?

Stranger: well

Stranger: I knew that

You: im on matthew
After this, he disconnected.

Please let me know what you think.